New Divorce Law Passed. Men It’s time for banning marraige


The Killer, IrBM, passed in Rajya Sabha. It is just a formality now to pass in Lok Sabha. Will be effective may be in few months or less. Now, women officially own a man’s property after divorce. Remember all other laws remains. There is only one option left for men to retain their hard earned money from looting. Don’t marry. If you already married, sorry bro, sad news for you. But, you just enjoy with your money. Don’t save money, just spend it for yourself. Only a fool saves money necessary to live more than 6 months.

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The possible bright side of the New property sharing law (the divorce law)..!!


I already wrote some post about this new divorce law that ministers approved and going to be tabled in the parliament for discussion. After arguing like never before with feminists and pro-feminists. I came to know the bright side of this new divorce law.

If you want to see those blog posts and comments and my arguments you can see these posts.

You may surprise, what can be the bright side of the law which force men to lose almost 50% of their property including ancestral property.

To know that, first we must know our feminists arguments why they think women deserve that share and feel this law is step towards right direction.

  1. Woman is abla nari in India. (one yawning reason they are telling from decades). She is leaving her Natal family and enters into a strangers home to contribute her share to that strangers family.
  2. That strangers family is joint-family. Mother and his sisters and brothers live there. she is giving all her services to all of them. So, she deserve share in ancestral property also.
  3. Women bring lot of dowry also. Which is her share and man’s family owns it. So, she deserve share in ancestral property.
  4. She is giving all her services like cooking, washing, giving birth to children and everything to that family. The man’s contribution is nothing.
  5. Women are forced to give-up her job and fulfill her duties as home maker.

So, after this law passes. What a man can assume?

  1. A women is getting 50% of share because she is doing all those 5 things. So, we can demand them as our rights.
  2. Women must come and stay in joint-family. She has to serve all the family members as she claim. Not only some rural women, all women must follow this.
  3. Women must give up job. And stay as home maker and take care of the house.
  4. Women must not ask man to help her in cooking or any household chores. Isn’t she contributing to the property of man by doing all of them single handed?
  5. She must bring dowry. So, may be man can ask dowry which is equal to his total property Or little bit less than that. So, when dividing the property, she will get her share and little bit more from her man’s property. That’s not an Issue for men, isn’t it?
  6. She must not ask to separate from man’s parents and form nuclear family. Isn’t it One of the reason for these women’s asking 50% share in ancestral property?

So guys, let us demand to legalize the dowry and gifts from wife’s family. Let us ask to abolish dowry prohibition act or 498A or DV Act which treat dowry as crime.

One law many reliefs, sure it has a bright side 😛

Property division law (The divorce law) and some random questions – my answers


This post is in response with some comments in Indian home makers blog posts . Even after a day or two, she didn’t published my responses to those comments. So, I don’t have other options than publishing them here. And that too, she published my comments made after these comment.

May be she didn’t have enough time to read all the comments and publish them. Especially,if they have external links. She is getting more than 100 comments for many posts. So, I can understand her. But my priority is make people aware of the situation. I can’t leave those comments unpublished. So, I feel my act is justified.

I Brierly explain under which circumstances I made those comments, what are the other parties arguments. If you find that is not enough, you can check the article and the person’s comment.

Scenario1 – Comment by Indian Home Maker (blog owner). Blog post: Instead of eyeing their husbands’ ancestral property, why don’t Indian daughters in law make their own homes?

I replied to one comment and said women never left without proper alimony. They all compensated as per the living standards of her man. But, It Is the greed of the women that make them asking man’s property earned before marriage and ancestral property of man. for that she gave some statistics regarding this maintenance …

7. 58% of the divorced women did not receive any maintenance at all (most of their cases are pending in court).
8. The remaining 42% received approximately 10% to 13% of their spouses income as maintenance. In one case from Kerala, the woman fought for 17 years to be awarded a maintenance of Rs. 900 per month even though her male spouse was earning Rs. 56,000 per month.

my response to that comment, that she didn’t published (why I don’t know) is..

7.58? don’t you think it’s small percentage? I don’t mean to say we can leave them, but the law definitely work for them too. All we need is proper implementation of the law. Even after IrBM pass the statistics looks like this only. Because property division is a civil case. They stay in courts for years. I am sure about that and that’s why WCD ministry oppose this move of including ancestral property. I must say.

And the amount of alimony depends upon not only husband’s earning, the women’s position also. If she have other source of income she will get less alimony. And even maintenance law goes against men, if the judge is biased.

Is maintenance law fair with men?

And why do you think proper implementation of the law is the answer for it instead creating another biased law? which is not gender neutral at all?

Scenario 2– comment by Satish : Blog post: Should women be given a share in residential property of the husband, including inherited and inheritable property?

I replied to a comment made by satish who pointed women are oppressed for ages. We have a shameful history of women oppression. So, we have to share the property. But I answered him with suicide statistics of men and IHM asked me the proof for that data. I provided her two links related to married men suicides. But she didn’t published both of those comments. So, I am publishing them here.

Sharing property is not the problem. But which property thats the question we are rising. You can’t share property earned before marriage and ancestral property. That is too much. No one is denying wife shaer in martial property.

If women are oppressed since independece or before independence, it’s not my fault or any man who is alive now. You can’t punish people for the sins of their fathers or forefathers or previous generations. It’s unfair.

And every year nearly 66000 married men suciciding because of family problems, married women suicide rate is less than half of it. But women orgs and intellectuals claim many of them related to financial problems. But now they are increasing financials woos of divorced men. The suicide rate increase more and more.. after this bill passed. Why do men deserv that, because in the past men oppressed women, so some feel it’s justified if men oppressed now?

IHM: Please substantiate your claims with links, random numbers and personal opinion are not facts. Never heard/read of men committing suicide because they didn’t get enough dowry or inheritance. Or because the wife doesn’t bear male children? Generally one reads about them killing the mother,and/or child.

My reply to her questions on married men’s suicide..

These are some links that explain suicide rates of men.
One married man commits suicide every 9 minutes

NCRB stats show more married men committing suicide

Society becoming anti-male day by day with these kind of biased laws. We know domestic violence is not gender issue. Men and women both commit domestic violence but our feminist orgs and biased studies don’t show that and no body cares about a man in India. At least there is a study in america which explains doestic violence is not gender issue.
Unprecedented Domestic Violence Study Affirms Need to Recognize Male Victims

Still in India there is no study on domestic violence on men. Why? our feminists don’t let it happen. When ever people talk about male victims of domestic violence they debunk it as rare cases. The same thing american women also did in america. But the study gives different picture.

What I want to say is I am not against giving some maintenance to divorced women, but extortion they do in the name of “contribution women made”. There is no way that a women contribute to man’s property before marriage and his ancestral property. So, that should not be divided. Only marital property that means acquired during relationship need to be shared. That’s the fair game for both men and women. I ask feminists not to be greedy. Which have far reaching consequences.

Must do things for men after new divorce law passes..!!


Now the hot topic in media and blogs is the new divorce law. Many men who know the effect of that law simply opposing it. There is no way a woman can contribute to the property acquired before marriage and ancestral property of man. But our feminists with lot of self pity are going for it. This is what equality means in their eyes. And men organisations, must say out numbered by feminists, can’t stop this law because of the vote bank politics of politicians.

So, what can happen in future, after this bill pass. Women will take share in man’s property including ancestral property. So, men must follow some precautions.

1. Money is your enemy and your friend. So, be careful. Don’t marry a women if she don’t have enough property in her name.

2. Don’t marry a women if she don’t earn or don’t have job.

3. There is no profession called “home maker”. Never accept for that. Women must work outside and earn money.

4. Enjoy with your money. Don’t save money too much. You just need to save only 6months of your monthly income. After that spend your money.

5. If you have ancestral property sell it and enjoy with it. You don’t need that much money.

6. Never buy a home. It’s most stupid thing that any man can do. Take a rent house, keep your joint family in that rented house. Remember, your matrimonial home must be a rented house or house owned by your wife. Never be yours. Because, men are stripped from owning a house legally by our feminists.

7. If your wife don’t want to work outside (not as a home maker) and earn, leave your job and don’t do any job until she do. If matter goes to court, do some silly job and earn 3times or 4 times less than what you can earn.

8. If you don’t marry or simply opt for live-in relationships that’s little bit better, but it will not going to help a lot because, judges in court always consider live-in equal to marriage.

9. No love marriages. Avoid all love marriages. Arranged marriage is better.

10. And join in any Men’s right group and fight for your rights.

It’s better be careful than sorry. So, keep in touch with your friends always. Because, future seems very dark for men.

Is wife really doing unpaid work in husband’s home…?


This post is in response with the Indian Homemaker’s article.

Her article:

Should women be given a share in residential property of the husband, including inherited and inheritable property?

First let me tell some simple facts

  1. A man and women marries. As per Indian law, marriage is nothing but legal contract.
  2. Man have a job. Women may have a job, may know all the things need to be a home maker. these two are the basic qualities.
  3. Man already have job, so he can earn with or without the help of so-called wife contribution.
  4. Man have his property, women also bring her property in the name of “stridhan”.

The contract begin…

Man earning continues as usually, women helps him to make his house as home. She give birth to babies. and all things are fine.

Now Divorce happen..

Is there any unpaid work by wife?
No. There is no such thing. Because, women is not doing all the work in husband’s home like cooking, cleaning, giving birth to children and going back to her parents home and eating there, sleeping there, leaving children to her husband not claiming anything from those children. That is not happening. She eats whatever husband and children eat, stay in husbands home with all comforts, getting every respect as a mother from children and after divorce wife takes her children with her and father will become visitor. If she fell ill, she will be treated with her husband’s money. Then where is the question of unpaid work?

After divorce, she is not going to work in that home, she is not going cook for the man, she is not going to give birth to another baby for him. Then Why a man need to support her financially?

The only reason for that is may be she is underpaid for her work and she must not sent out without any support to live. These two are the reasons. IMO.

First reason is a doubt for many women from upper middle class to high class. Because they do have many electronic home appliance to make her work easy, and they can even have a maid to do some household work. Middle class women and lower class women really deserve lot of respect here. So, women’s contribution to man’s property must evaluated case by case and award alimony as per that only. Not half of his entire property, because, she can’t contribute to man’s property earned before the marriage and his ancestral property. Only in the property he acquired and she contributed during the marriage.

That’s so simple. If women also working, then also the division is same. Only from the marital property. Not the property earned before marriage or ancestral property.

Women can get share in ancestral property of ex-husband..!!


The law passed. The law intended to provide share to wife in ex-husbands property, including ancestral property, cleared in the parliament. At first women orgs said only matrimonial property shared, then they changed their voice (as usually) and demanded share in all property of men. They seek 50% share. But the share of the property they get will be decided by the judge based on different parameters.

So, it may be advantageous in some incidents, disadvantageous in some other incidents for men. They may has to give less than 50% or more than 50% depend on circumstances and so-called parameters. At any time, only man’s property distributed. Women property is safe. My money is my money, your money is our money – philosophy of feminist economy. And that’s equality as per feminists. Long live feminism..!! Men, who cares you, not even your own men bother about you.

After divorce law

Why buying a house is the stupid idea for men in India !!


Generally, we have every right on what we buy. Nobody can deny our rights on it. In our life, house has very important role. Many people have sentiments on the house they own. People buy or build the house by spending lot of hard earned money and time. Many people feel emotional when they leave their own house or sell it. We do develop lot of affection. And most importantly, we assume, we have every right on that.

But those days were over sometime back. Now, you can be thrown out of your own house. And may be sometimes you are not even allowed to come near to it. It will be an offense and you can be punished for that!!

No, it’s not the work of land mafia or some supernatural power. That could be the work of your own family member, may be your beloved wife. Surprised?? Then I must say that your LawQ (law quotient 😛 ) is very poor. If you assume that law don’t allow this and you can get back your house using law, then I must say, you are living in wrong decade.

Your house can be occupied by your wife legally and you can be thrown out of it legally. The only difference is it’s not considered as occupying. Again surprised, then I must say about a law that came into force in 2005.

It’s none other than Prevention of Domestic Violence Act. Don’t be fooled by the name and come to a conclusion that it will protect every one from domestic violence. And don’t compare it with the laws already exist in some western countries.

This is a law that aimed to protect women and children from domestic violence. Men are not covered under this law, men are only perpetrators. And most of the times only women use this law not children. So, you can safely read it as “A law to Prevent Domestic Violence Committed by men on women and children”.

It is the law criticized by many including the supreme court as “A loosely drafted law”. It has many loopholes which can be exploited by unscrupulous women to harass husbands.

One of the important aspect of this law is right to residence for the women in the shared household. It doesn’t matter who is the owner of that house. So, she have the right to live in husband’s house. But, husband can live in it only if his wife permit him. If everything between man and his wife is well, then no problem. If not, it’s a big trouble for the man. She can simply file a case under DV Act and throw him out of his own house.

Of course, law don’t say this, directly. But it can be used that way. It is only made to protect women from the domestic violence. But to protect women, Men’s Rights can be sacrificed. Man can be sent out of his house, if court feel he is a threat to the wife. What a women need to provide as evidence to prove the man is a threat to her? nothing. She just need to file a case under DV Act, it is man’s duty to prove that he is not guilty of those charges.

Until he prove that, he may be barred from entering in his own house. May be surroundings where she live. Remember those accuses against men need not be true. They may be lies. But it is man’s duty to prove that. Even after proving that he is innocent, there will be no punishment for wife for filing false cases.

It’s not going to stop here. There is another law which is going to pass in one way or other way. That is IrBM (Irretrievable Breakdown of Marriage). As per that law women are going to get 50% of what ever the property that man have. Even his ancestral property also comes into picture. So, after this the man’s house may be shared equally. Or may goes to women as a part of sharing all assents. So, A house, not at all man’s property anymore. It’s bad Idea to buy a house.

Most of the times men (lower class to upper middle class) buy house or build their dream house by taking housing loans. Every month they have to pay some amount as an EMI. Assume a situation, in which the man thrown out of his own house and still he has to pay the EMI every month and has to pay the rent to newly taken house for him. But wife and her family happily live in his dream house. Everyone who is friendly to her can enter into it, but not the man who bought/build it. Many men are already facing such situations. It is going to be worse in future.

DV Act + IrBM = Throw husband out of his own house until court order  +  Later divorce him and get half of the house legally.

Then what is the good option? Just stay in rented house. Let the women buy the house with her property. If not, just stay with her husband in rented house. If she file a DV case against him, he will be thrown out of his rented house, of course, he has to pay the rent for that. That’s true. But which one is better? thrown out of your dream home or a rented house? definitely the second one.

So, my advice is never buy a house. Always stay in rented one. Let the govt build some houses and give them to rent for all the people in the country. So, every family in the country simply pay rent to the govt.  Or let the women buy their house stay without any problem with exclusive rights on that house.

Always remember don’t save too much money either. Just have a life and enjoy it. Don’t let someone take out your hard earned money in the name of empowerment.

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