New Divorce Law Passed. Men It’s time for banning marraige


The Killer, IrBM, passed in Rajya Sabha. It is just a formality now to pass in Lok Sabha. Will be effective may be in few months or less. Now, women officially own a man’s property after divorce. Remember all other laws remains. There is only one option left for men to retain their hard earned money from looting. Don’t marry. If you already married, sorry bro, sad news for you. But, you just enjoy with your money. Don’t save money, just spend it for yourself. Only a fool saves money necessary to live more than 6 months.

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Published in: on August 26, 2013 at 9:17 pm  Leave a Comment  
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The possible bright side of the New property sharing law (the divorce law)..!!


I already wrote some post about this new divorce law that ministers approved and going to be tabled in the parliament for discussion. After arguing like never before with feminists and pro-feminists. I came to know the bright side of this new divorce law.

If you want to see those blog posts and comments and my arguments you can see these posts.

You may surprise, what can be the bright side of the law which force men to lose almost 50% of their property including ancestral property.

To know that, first we must know our feminists arguments why they think women deserve that share and feel this law is step towards right direction.

  1. Woman is abla nari in India. (one yawning reason they are telling from decades). She is leaving her Natal family and enters into a strangers home to contribute her share to that strangers family.
  2. That strangers family is joint-family. Mother and his sisters and brothers live there. she is giving all her services to all of them. So, she deserve share in ancestral property also.
  3. Women bring lot of dowry also. Which is her share and man’s family owns it. So, she deserve share in ancestral property.
  4. She is giving all her services like cooking, washing, giving birth to children and everything to that family. The man’s contribution is nothing.
  5. Women are forced to give-up her job and fulfill her duties as home maker.

So, after this law passes. What a man can assume?

  1. A women is getting 50% of share because she is doing all those 5 things. So, we can demand them as our rights.
  2. Women must come and stay in joint-family. She has to serve all the family members as she claim. Not only some rural women, all women must follow this.
  3. Women must give up job. And stay as home maker and take care of the house.
  4. Women must not ask man to help her in cooking or any household chores. Isn’t she contributing to the property of man by doing all of them single handed?
  5. She must bring dowry. So, may be man can ask dowry which is equal to his total property Or little bit less than that. So, when dividing the property, she will get her share and little bit more from her man’s property. That’s not an Issue for men, isn’t it?
  6. She must not ask to separate from man’s parents and form nuclear family. Isn’t it One of the reason for these women’s asking 50% share in ancestral property?

So guys, let us demand to legalize the dowry and gifts from wife’s family. Let us ask to abolish dowry prohibition act or 498A or DV Act which treat dowry as crime.

One law many reliefs, sure it has a bright side 😛

Property division law (The divorce law) and some random questions – my answers


This post is in response with some comments in Indian home makers blog posts . Even after a day or two, she didn’t published my responses to those comments. So, I don’t have other options than publishing them here. And that too, she published my comments made after these comment.

May be she didn’t have enough time to read all the comments and publish them. Especially,if they have external links. She is getting more than 100 comments for many posts. So, I can understand her. But my priority is make people aware of the situation. I can’t leave those comments unpublished. So, I feel my act is justified.

I Brierly explain under which circumstances I made those comments, what are the other parties arguments. If you find that is not enough, you can check the article and the person’s comment.

Scenario1 – Comment by Indian Home Maker (blog owner). Blog post: Instead of eyeing their husbands’ ancestral property, why don’t Indian daughters in law make their own homes?

I replied to one comment and said women never left without proper alimony. They all compensated as per the living standards of her man. But, It Is the greed of the women that make them asking man’s property earned before marriage and ancestral property of man. for that she gave some statistics regarding this maintenance …

7. 58% of the divorced women did not receive any maintenance at all (most of their cases are pending in court).
8. The remaining 42% received approximately 10% to 13% of their spouses income as maintenance. In one case from Kerala, the woman fought for 17 years to be awarded a maintenance of Rs. 900 per month even though her male spouse was earning Rs. 56,000 per month.

my response to that comment, that she didn’t published (why I don’t know) is..

7.58? don’t you think it’s small percentage? I don’t mean to say we can leave them, but the law definitely work for them too. All we need is proper implementation of the law. Even after IrBM pass the statistics looks like this only. Because property division is a civil case. They stay in courts for years. I am sure about that and that’s why WCD ministry oppose this move of including ancestral property. I must say.

And the amount of alimony depends upon not only husband’s earning, the women’s position also. If she have other source of income she will get less alimony. And even maintenance law goes against men, if the judge is biased.

Is maintenance law fair with men?

And why do you think proper implementation of the law is the answer for it instead creating another biased law? which is not gender neutral at all?

Scenario 2– comment by Satish : Blog post: Should women be given a share in residential property of the husband, including inherited and inheritable property?

I replied to a comment made by satish who pointed women are oppressed for ages. We have a shameful history of women oppression. So, we have to share the property. But I answered him with suicide statistics of men and IHM asked me the proof for that data. I provided her two links related to married men suicides. But she didn’t published both of those comments. So, I am publishing them here.

Sharing property is not the problem. But which property thats the question we are rising. You can’t share property earned before marriage and ancestral property. That is too much. No one is denying wife shaer in martial property.

If women are oppressed since independece or before independence, it’s not my fault or any man who is alive now. You can’t punish people for the sins of their fathers or forefathers or previous generations. It’s unfair.

And every year nearly 66000 married men suciciding because of family problems, married women suicide rate is less than half of it. But women orgs and intellectuals claim many of them related to financial problems. But now they are increasing financials woos of divorced men. The suicide rate increase more and more.. after this bill passed. Why do men deserv that, because in the past men oppressed women, so some feel it’s justified if men oppressed now?

IHM: Please substantiate your claims with links, random numbers and personal opinion are not facts. Never heard/read of men committing suicide because they didn’t get enough dowry or inheritance. Or because the wife doesn’t bear male children? Generally one reads about them killing the mother,and/or child.

My reply to her questions on married men’s suicide..

These are some links that explain suicide rates of men.
One married man commits suicide every 9 minutes

NCRB stats show more married men committing suicide

Society becoming anti-male day by day with these kind of biased laws. We know domestic violence is not gender issue. Men and women both commit domestic violence but our feminist orgs and biased studies don’t show that and no body cares about a man in India. At least there is a study in america which explains doestic violence is not gender issue.
Unprecedented Domestic Violence Study Affirms Need to Recognize Male Victims

Still in India there is no study on domestic violence on men. Why? our feminists don’t let it happen. When ever people talk about male victims of domestic violence they debunk it as rare cases. The same thing american women also did in america. But the study gives different picture.

What I want to say is I am not against giving some maintenance to divorced women, but extortion they do in the name of “contribution women made”. There is no way that a women contribute to man’s property before marriage and his ancestral property. So, that should not be divided. Only marital property that means acquired during relationship need to be shared. That’s the fair game for both men and women. I ask feminists not to be greedy. Which have far reaching consequences.

Must do things for men after new divorce law passes..!!


Now the hot topic in media and blogs is the new divorce law. Many men who know the effect of that law simply opposing it. There is no way a woman can contribute to the property acquired before marriage and ancestral property of man. But our feminists with lot of self pity are going for it. This is what equality means in their eyes. And men organisations, must say out numbered by feminists, can’t stop this law because of the vote bank politics of politicians.

So, what can happen in future, after this bill pass. Women will take share in man’s property including ancestral property. So, men must follow some precautions.

1. Money is your enemy and your friend. So, be careful. Don’t marry a women if she don’t have enough property in her name.

2. Don’t marry a women if she don’t earn or don’t have job.

3. There is no profession called “home maker”. Never accept for that. Women must work outside and earn money.

4. Enjoy with your money. Don’t save money too much. You just need to save only 6months of your monthly income. After that spend your money.

5. If you have ancestral property sell it and enjoy with it. You don’t need that much money.

6. Never buy a home. It’s most stupid thing that any man can do. Take a rent house, keep your joint family in that rented house. Remember, your matrimonial home must be a rented house or house owned by your wife. Never be yours. Because, men are stripped from owning a house legally by our feminists.

7. If your wife don’t want to work outside (not as a home maker) and earn, leave your job and don’t do any job until she do. If matter goes to court, do some silly job and earn 3times or 4 times less than what you can earn.

8. If you don’t marry or simply opt for live-in relationships that’s little bit better, but it will not going to help a lot because, judges in court always consider live-in equal to marriage.

9. No love marriages. Avoid all love marriages. Arranged marriage is better.

10. And join in any Men’s right group and fight for your rights.

It’s better be careful than sorry. So, keep in touch with your friends always. Because, future seems very dark for men.

Male abortion and joint custody of children for egilitarian world..!!


When it comes to children, men have no rights. Men are considered as fathers only if they stay in relationship with mother of those children. If they divorce them their position downgrades to visitors. They will get visitation rights. Still they are fathers on records, but they can’t enjoy fatherhood. Even spending sometime with their children also become a rare task for them. That’s how our divorce laws treat men, yet men must spend all the money needed for child upbringing and maintenance of his ex-wife. That’s the irony of so-called egalitarian world.

Let us come to another concept called Male Abortion. Let us assume a scenario. A man and woman had sex, it may be extra-marital or marital with no intention of having kids. But due to some contraceptives failure or some other reason women got pregnancy. Now what? We have four situations here.

  1. Woman and man like to have baby. Then there is no problem. She can give birth to a baby and everything is fine.
  2. Woman and man don’t like to have baby. Then also no problem. She can abort that unwanted pregnancy and everything will be fine.
  3. Woman don’t want baby but man want baby. Here as per present standards in the world, men have to shut their mouth and pay the abortion bill. Because, it is her body. Her right. She can abort the child. Men don’t have anything to say other than “yes” to whatever she says. And it’s fair deal.
  4. Woman want a baby but man don’t want. Now the problem comes. As per present standards, she can give birth to the baby and man don’t have other option other than becoming father to unwanted baby. This kind of forced fatherhood is against men’s rights. Why a man don’t have a say in his fatherhood? If a women’s body is her right and she have a choice, why not a man have a choice in his fatherhood?

Here male abortion enters into picture. Male abortion is nothing but giving right to men of aborting forced fatherhood. If men are not interested in fatherhood then women have two choice.

  • She has to abort the baby. Man may be or may not pay for abortion. Or
  • She can give birth to the baby, but man is not father of that baby and he need not to take any responsibility towards that baby. They may be socially, economically or any other form. That baby will have only mother, no father.

This has some downside also. Some men may misuse it and try to escape from their responsibilities. But, misuse of the law or provision can’t be a reason for banning of such progressive provisions or laws, Isn’t it? our feminists, women orgs and intellectuals know this point better than us.

To get the egalitarian world where all are equal, men must get their rights. Men must get joint custody of the children in case of divorce and men must have a choice of male abortion in case of unwanted pregnancy of girl friend or wife.

Published in: on July 21, 2013 at 9:45 pm  Comments (3)  
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Is wife really doing unpaid work in husband’s home…?


This post is in response with the Indian Homemaker’s article.

Her article:

Should women be given a share in residential property of the husband, including inherited and inheritable property?

First let me tell some simple facts

  1. A man and women marries. As per Indian law, marriage is nothing but legal contract.
  2. Man have a job. Women may have a job, may know all the things need to be a home maker. these two are the basic qualities.
  3. Man already have job, so he can earn with or without the help of so-called wife contribution.
  4. Man have his property, women also bring her property in the name of “stridhan”.

The contract begin…

Man earning continues as usually, women helps him to make his house as home. She give birth to babies. and all things are fine.

Now Divorce happen..

Is there any unpaid work by wife?
No. There is no such thing. Because, women is not doing all the work in husband’s home like cooking, cleaning, giving birth to children and going back to her parents home and eating there, sleeping there, leaving children to her husband not claiming anything from those children. That is not happening. She eats whatever husband and children eat, stay in husbands home with all comforts, getting every respect as a mother from children and after divorce wife takes her children with her and father will become visitor. If she fell ill, she will be treated with her husband’s money. Then where is the question of unpaid work?

After divorce, she is not going to work in that home, she is not going cook for the man, she is not going to give birth to another baby for him. Then Why a man need to support her financially?

The only reason for that is may be she is underpaid for her work and she must not sent out without any support to live. These two are the reasons. IMO.

First reason is a doubt for many women from upper middle class to high class. Because they do have many electronic home appliance to make her work easy, and they can even have a maid to do some household work. Middle class women and lower class women really deserve lot of respect here. So, women’s contribution to man’s property must evaluated case by case and award alimony as per that only. Not half of his entire property, because, she can’t contribute to man’s property earned before the marriage and his ancestral property. Only in the property he acquired and she contributed during the marriage.

That’s so simple. If women also working, then also the division is same. Only from the marital property. Not the property earned before marriage or ancestral property.

Women can get share in ancestral property of ex-husband..!!


The law passed. The law intended to provide share to wife in ex-husbands property, including ancestral property, cleared in the parliament. At first women orgs said only matrimonial property shared, then they changed their voice (as usually) and demanded share in all property of men. They seek 50% share. But the share of the property they get will be decided by the judge based on different parameters.

So, it may be advantageous in some incidents, disadvantageous in some other incidents for men. They may has to give less than 50% or more than 50% depend on circumstances and so-called parameters. At any time, only man’s property distributed. Women property is safe. My money is my money, your money is our money – philosophy of feminist economy. And that’s equality as per feminists. Long live feminism..!! Men, who cares you, not even your own men bother about you.

After divorce law

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